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cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

Post by hzmo » 01 Sep 2020, 14:32

Poštovani zaljubljenici u oružje i strijelci, molim za pomoć. Za pištolj cz 75 sport II 9x19mm (Frankonia-Oschatz) na jednom blogu se tvrdi da je u kategoriji custom match pištolja best-buy opcija. Pregledavajući ponudu u jednom od dućana na hrvatskom tržištu vidio sam model cz 75B 6.0 9x19mm. Konkretno, u čemu su razlike u modelima?

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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

Post by jolly » 02 Sep 2020, 05:12

Nazovi trgovca, i pitaj.

Model - cz 75B 6.0 9x19mm - ne postoji u katalogu zbrojovke, a kad utipkas u google, onda izadje da to nude samo dva ducana.(Jedan u HR, jedan u Sloveniji) Vrlo slabasna ponuda na EU trzistu ????
To mi nije bas vjerojatno, a cijena ista kao i sport 2.

ja bih rekao, da to prolazi tipicni pačji test. sa 99% sigurnosti:
"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck".

Ako nije tjuniranje iz neke druge radionice (koje?), onda je to sport 2.
Za biti 100% siguran, nazovi i pitaj.

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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

Post by jolly » 02 Sep 2020, 09:12

Korigiram se za prethodni post.
Izgelda ovako.
Vrlo slican model AKAH, prema ovome 75B 6.0 jest:
CZ 75 SP 6.1 - oznaka utisnuta (6.1) - na istom mjestu kao i ovome 75b - 6.0 - (oznaka 6.0), na lijevoj Strani navlake, iza.
identican prednji i zadnji ciljnik LPA kod modela 75SP 6.1 i 75B 6.0.
Identican nakoseni brid navlake.

suprotno tome, cz 75 b sport 2,
nema utisnute oznake (6.0, ili 6.1)
zaobljena navlaka.
Drugaciji ciljnici

Ovaj cz 75B 6.0, je vjerojatno AKAH izvedba, ali ga tenutno ne navode na svojim stranicama.
https://www.akah.eu/pistols/cz-75-sp-01 ... cz+75&z2=0

Doduse, i za CZ 75 SP-01 6.1, kazu "out of stock", a za njega kazu:
An AKAH exclusive model with 6" barrel with barrel bushing - designed for DSB shooting. Other features:

6" barrel with barrel bushing
6" slide with front- and rear serrations
CZ 75 SP-01 frame with Picatinny rail
LPA TRT match rear sight and patridge front sight
Tuned trigger, trigger stop
Hogue wrap-around rubber grip
SA/DA
All steel construction
Capacity: 19
Cal. 9mm Luger

Napravljjeni prema specifikaciji DSB (Deutcshe Schtuze bund) – njemacka fedearcija koja se natjece prema ISSF, klasicne dicipline.
Znaci, pistolji ce uci unutar pravilnika HSS, po dimezijama, nisanskom rasponu, sili okidanja, itd.
Sta se kvalitete tice… ja bih pretpostavio …. Njemacka kvaltieta
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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

Post by jolly » 02 Sep 2020, 10:28

Katalog akah.
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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

Post by istra champion » 02 Sep 2020, 11:36

hzmo wrote:Poštovani zaljubljenici u oružje i strijelci, molim za pomoć. Za pištolj cz 75 sport II 9x19mm (Frankonia-Oschatz) na jednom blogu se tvrdi da je u kategoriji custom match pištolja best-buy opcija. Pregledavajući ponudu u jednom od dućana na hrvatskom tržištu vidio sam model cz 75B 6.0 9x19mm. Konkretno, u čemu su razlike u modelima?
Razlike:

CZ 75 SPORT II Frankonia-Oschatz
-rukohvat od standardne CZ 75B, sa dorađenim mehanizmom za okidanje (sila okidanja prilagođena na cca 1400-1500 gr., u opciji je i SA okidač i sl.) i ugrađenim trigger stopom
-navlaka je proizvodnje Oschatz (tuning), a cijev je ručno upasirana (Lothar-Walther)
-Oschatz nudi u opciji i K-Nill drške
-garantirana preciznost od 20.5mm na 25m (pro tuning)
-cijena u EU: od 1800 eur.

CZ 75B 6.0 (AKAH)
-rukohvat od standardne CZ 75B, ugrađen combat udarač, sila okidanja oko 2 kg.
-navlaka je AKAH proizvodnje, ne znam koju cijev ima, ali se vadi tj. rastavlja kao i kod Sport II, ima LPA-TRT zadnji ciljnik
-cijena u EU: od 1400 eur.

Kao što si i rekao, CZ Sport II je puno bolja opcija od CZ 75B 6.0, ima certifikat i dokaz o preciznosti dok se AKAh 6.0 kod nas, ne isporučuju sa dokazom o preciznosti.
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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

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Istra champion,
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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

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Ako mi budeš sponzor :mrgreen:
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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

Post by hzmo » 02 Sep 2020, 17:01

Hvala kolegama na detaljnim i iscrpnim informacijama. Moram još samo zatvoriti mali dio financijske konstrukcije (prodaja Stock III) i pravac, kako sada stvari stoje, Maribor.

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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

Post by jolly » 02 Sep 2020, 17:54

CZ 75b Sport 2,
prodavali su povremeno u Sloveniji:

Rebec trgovina
Varnost Maribor
Proarmis
Trgovina Lovec grosuplje
Vute puskarstvo

Usporedba Sport 2 i AKAH verzije:
https://www.all4shooters.com/de/Shootin ... 9mm-Luger/

Da skratimo pricu sport 2, uza grupa, lothar walther cijev, akah - nesto malo sira grupa, CZ cijev, ali isto vrlo - vrlo dobro. Sa rucno punjenom municijom grupa 16 mm.
Sport 2 je u prozvodnji dosta dugo (15+3 godine), Akah varijanta, od 2017.


Sa gornjeg linka, sam koristio google translator na engleski (ali ako znas njemacki, jos bolje):

As a rule, the standard versions of the CZ 75 models are not exactly decried as a precision miracle, it is different when qualified gunsmiths lend a hand. The Sport I version with 6 "/ 152mm barrel from Waffen Oschatz has been around for 15 years.

AKAH from Gummersbach has now jumped on the bandwagon of precision pistols. At the IWA 2017 they presented the CZ 75 B 6.0 with the handle and barrel from the production of Česká Zbrojovka near Brno, but the lock and fitting work are carried out in Germany.
The all-steel pistol has a double-action / single-action trigger combination, with the first variant tending to eke out a shadowy existence in static target shooting. The single action trigger has been redesigned and releases at around 1,950 grams, of which around 1,000 grams are already preferred, which makes the trigger seem much lighter.

With the very narrow and ergonomic grip, the marksman is still well served even after more than 40 years and small hands in particular can cope well with the given size. The sights with a micrometer rear sight and front sight were designed to be practical

In the test , the test pistol shot a hand load with a 125 Grains Hornady HAP bullet behind 5.2 Grains Hodgdon Longshot and Federal fuze packaged in GECO cases with a cartridge length of 28.5 mm, an incredible 16 mm (all loading information without guarantee). With 10 shots mind you! With factory cartridges from GECO in the form of the 124 Grains FMJ it was 24 mm, with the Sellier & Bellot 124 Grains FMJ it was still 30 mm.

With a sales price of 1,600 euros, it is certainly a very good price / performance ratio that will be hard to beat. Further information can be found here on the AKAH website.
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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

Post by istra champion » 03 Sep 2020, 11:23

Grupa od 16mm je za Sport II ili Akah 6.0?
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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

Post by jolly » 03 Sep 2020, 12:05

Oni tvrde, (i meni bilo malo cudno) 16 mm grupa sa rucno punjenom municijom na AKAH 6.0 varijanti.

Recept - koji su napisali:
Zrno - 125 Grains Hornady HAP bullet
Barut - 5.2 Grains Hodgdon Longshot
Kapisla - Federal
cahura - GECO
LOA - ukupna duzina zrna - 28.5 mm,
GRUPA - incredible 16 mm (nevjerojatnih 16mm)

Tvornicka muncija koristena u testu:
GECO, 124 grain FMJ - grupa 24 mm
S&B, 124 grain FMJ, grupa 30 mm

Grupe na bazi 10 hitaca.
Napraviti takve grupe iz ruke, sumnjam da je moguce, iako nisu napisali - vjerojatno je pucano iz resta.


Nisu napisali da postoji tvorncika garancija preciznosti, ovo su naveli kao rezultate testa

AKAH 6.0 (opis pistolja)
Drska i cijev, proizvodnja CZ
Navlaka i pasovanje radjeno u njemackoj
Okidanja DA/SA - okidac je doradjen (vjerojatno u njemackoj)
Sila okidanja SA, 1.950 grama
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Re: cz 75 sport II 9x19 vs cz 75B 6.0

Post by istra champion » 03 Sep 2020, 12:30

jolly wrote:Oni tvrde, (i meni bilo malo cudno) 16 mm grupa sa rucno punjenom municijom na AKAH 6.0 varijanti.
Da 6.0 radi takvu grupu, pohvalili bi se dokazom, kojeg naravno NEMA...zato se isporučuje bez schussbild-a.
Sport II ima garanciju preciznosti i ima schussbild; ja trenutno imam Sport (I)-(iz nje proizašla Sport II), sa match cijevi od 145mm i grupa je 17x17mm na schussbild-u.
Možda ova 6.0 ima 16mm ali x30 još :mrgreen:
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